Frequently Asked Questions

 

Your questions, our answers :

Why this project?
This project to renovate the exteriors of our pedestrian village is the result of several years of reflection. In 2018, this led to the renewal of the lighting, the refurbishment and the reorganisation of the Marcel-Burnet and via d’Aoste alleys. Our efforts then turned to the problems of the dilapidated exterior pavement (very damaged asphalt causing passers-by to fall in many places) and the securing of our underground garage (rainwater infiltration due to the very poor state of the waterproofing).

The “diagnostic” study was decided in 2018 and we (the 1,200 co-owners) all voted for it at the AGMs in early 2019. All the co-ownerships then voted for the next steps at the 2020 and 2021 GMs.

The “diagnostic” study was carried out in 2020 by a specialist firm. It showed that the slab is in relatively good condition, contrary to what was thought in the past. However, some structural renovation work is required in the basement. The main part of the work is related to the total repair of the external covering of the slab and its waterproofing (full report of the “diagnostic” study here).
As a result of this study, we need to completely re-waterproof the slab above the underground garage, and rehabilitate many areas that have aged very badly.

Will the underground garage be usable during the works?
Yes, the proposed works are mainly on the surface, with only the final phase involving the interior of the underground garage. This work will be carried out during the off-seasons and will be divided into several areas alternately. This means that we will always be able to park underground.
When will the work be carried out?

As is customary in Chamonix, the work will be carried out during the low season (15 April – 15 June, 15 September – 15 November), probably for three successive years and with the aim of causing the least possible disruption to the occupants. The schedule could be as follows:

  • second half of 2021: study to define the work to be carried out
  • first half of 2022: calls for tenders
  • second half of 2022: study of the responses, and advice to be given to the 10 condominiums
  • first half of 2023: votes at the General Meetings of the 10 condominiums, then a summary vote at the General Meeting of the Union
  • work in six phases: autumn 2023, spring and autumn 2024, spring and autumn 2025, spring 2026.
How will this project be financed?

Each owner will have four options to finance this work:

  1. to pay conventional calls for funds as the work progresses, i.e. over three years;
  2. to take out – via a real estate intermediary – a professional loan, which will make it possible to spread the work charges over a longer period (10 years for example);
  3. take out an individual loan;
  4. pay cash.
What parts of the building will be affected by the work?

This project to refurbish the car park requires the waterproofing of the slab covering our car park.

To do this, everything covering the slab must be removed: the asphalt, the street furniture, the kiosk, the footbridge, the green spaces, the trees in the ground whose roots have damaged the waterproofing, as well as the terraces in front of the Grépon and Jonquille buildings. The slab will then be bare, and its waterproofing can be redone, the waterproofing upstands at the foot of the facade will be 50 cm high, and then the exterior fittings will be installed.

The work area is concentrated on Edmond-Desailloud square between “tranche 1, 2 and 3” buildings, plus part of the pavements on the Promenade Marie Paradis and the Via d’Aoste (orange zone on the plans).

Possible renovations to other areas of Chamonix-Sud, e.g. Parc de la Roseraie, the area in front of the Chamois Blanc are mentioned below.

Why not have the town hall finance this?
Our entire building complex and its communal areas constituting the pedestrian village of Chamonix-Sud, is a private property. As such we owners are responsible for its maintenance and the town hall has nothing to do with the financing of its maintenance or its works.

This property is made up of flats, shops, roads and parking spaces. These are “private roads open to public traffic”, as are 70% of the roads in the commune of Chamonix.

Given this “public traffic” character, your Union representatives maintain a dialogue with the elected officials of the town of Chamonix. We are making the elected officials aware of the next stage of our renovation project and we are discussing possible participation.

How and by whom will the work be carried out and supervised?
This will be a complex project, involving a dozen different trades. For this type of project, a project manager (MOE), a legal or physical person, will be responsible for scheduling, steering and coordination.

This project manager, yet to be defined, will be our sole contact and will be responsible for the operational management of the work in terms of costs, deadlines and technical choices, all in accordance with a contract and specifications that we will sign.

The Union Council audited several candidates as project managers for the “Diagnostic” study and then selected the company Alpes Concept Travaux. For the moment, we are not committed to anyone for the project management of the future site.

How will the companies that will do the work be selected?
In the second part of the study, ACT is currently listing the various tasks to be carried out by the different trades. It organises these tasks into lots. It will then put each of these lots out to tender. Qualified and interested companies will respond to these tenders. In conjunction with ACT, the Union Council will study these responses and produce a summary which it will put to the vote of the ten co-ownerships.

The project owner, i.e. us, the 1,200 co-owners, who are the sponsors of the work, will select the companies to carry out these “lots”. The project manager will then carry out the work on these lots.

At the end of the project, the project manager is responsible for the proper delivery of the work in accordance with the contract and specifications that we have signed. Penalties are payable in the event of failure to meet deadlines, poor workmanship, etc.

Who benefits from this renovation?
This project was born out of numerous requests made by co-owners over the last two decades. There have been many proposals for the redevelopment of our square and its ancillary walkways. The Union Council does not have any preconceived ideas and that is why it was important to ask for everyone’s opinion before continuing the study. One of the purposes of the questionnaire is for each co-owner to give their opinion on the development of these spaces.

The Union Council will present a summary of the opinions expressed to everyone. The project that will be presented to the votes of the 1,200 co-owners will have taken into account the opinions of all those who wish to express themselves today. It will be the project of the co-owners – and of them alone – for the renovation of their building complex.

In short, this project was motivated by the co-owners, and then carried by the co-owners elected representatives. It will be faithful to the opinion expressed by the co-owners.

Why are we not reducing the noise pollution caused by bar and night club patrons?
This subject primarily concerns the condominiums from which these issues arise (TR1 for the nightclub, TR2 and TR4 for the bars/restaurants).

Several of you have complained about the presence of these businesses. We can only note their presence, nothing in the co-ownership regulations prevents these businesses from being there. The bars were authorised by the sub-prefect of Bonneville.

The only power of the co-owners is to ensure that the co-ownership regulations are respected in terms of noise pollution. These actions must be undertaken first of all by the union councils who must discuss them with the managers of these businesses, and with the owners of the premises who are legally responsible for the actions of their tenants. It should be remembered that in TR2, various legal proceedings have been initiated over the last ten years and numerous complaints have been lodged with the gendarmerie.

The Union is therefore not directly concerned. However, we would like to inform you that we are very aware of this issue and that we will do everything in our project to limit – within the limits of our possibilities – these nuisances. One idea is to change night lighting and the layout of street furniture in order to avoid gatherings and the propagation of noise. This idea has already been taken into account and submitted to the team of architects and landscapers with whom we work.
That said, we will not be able to work miracles for the most disturbed co-owners! The nightclubs in our complex have unfortunately been legally authorised.

Some owners have told us that they have replaced their 40 year old windows with new soundproof glass, which has made a big difference . Perhaps this is a solution too!

What is being done to eradicate dog fouling and night-time urination?
Many of you in the questionnaire were concerned about this problem. However, in your answers, you also largely disapprove of the installation of dog parks and public toilets. Dilemma!

We are waiting for other proposals to decide…

Why isn't the work on the Marcel-Burnet alley completed?
Begun in 2020, it has not progressed as planned. Early snow, supply complicated by the confinements, health problems in the contracted company, failure of a subcontractor…

All these problems added up and the accumulated delay was very disappointing for everyone. We will finish this work in the next off-peak period, i.e. in the autumn of 2021.

How is car parking improved?

It is important to recognised that there have only ever been 500 parking spaces (375 of which underground) available to the 1,200 condominium owners.

We are doing everything we can to prevent these spaces from being occupied by vehicles that should not be there. This mainly concerns the Marcel-Burnet lane and the underground garage.

Thanks to the introduction of badge access, the allée Marcel-Burnet will no longer be cluttered with vehicles that have no business being there. The introduction of the one-way system has also made it possible to add a few parking spaces.

As for the underground garage, we are fighting against vehicles that contravene our regulations (uninsured French vehicles, vehicles that are not roadworthy). These rules do not define – today – a time limit. There is nothing reprehensible about a person who legally has a badge leaving their vehicle there for several months.

For the past ten years, we have been tracking down these vehicles and we keep an updated list. As these vehicles are private property, we cannot touch them. We do everything that is legally possible: the procedure consists of regularly transmitting this list to the gendarmerie. The gendarmerie searches for the owner of each vehicle on the list, warns him or her, and if the problem is not solved (insurance, repair of the vehicle), then proceeds with the removal.

Situation on September the 2nd of 2021: 16 vehicles in violation. There were 25 a year ago: 15 are no longer there and 6 are new.

How are the badges managed?
Each owner of a lot is given a badge. They can use it for themselves, give it to a tenant, a friend, etc. There is nothing to authorise the Union to limit this use.
It should be remembered :

  • that each co-owner of a lot (flat or business, except TR5 and TR6) has a “right of access” to the underground garage without time limitation (see your deed of sale);
  • that the Union decided in 2007 to limit this access to one badge per lot;
  • that we have 375 spaces in the basement, and that this garage is saturated at most 20 days a year, i.e. 5% of the time;
  • that any expenditure to improve its operation during this 5% of the time seems disproportionate to the expected benefit.

When the new badge readers are installed in Marcel-Burnet Lane, we will reset the list of access badges to zero, which will enable us to ensure that a precise batch/badge number is assigned. Everything will be operational by the end of 2021.

Why does the renovation seem to exclude the area around the La Roseraie, Chamois Blanc buildings?

This is correct, but there is nothing to prevent us from considering any proposal to improve these areas, bearing in mind that :

  • the space in front of the Chamois Blanc belongs to the co-owners of the Chamois Blanc, but the Union must ensure its maintenance and possible renovation;
  • the space in front of La Roseraie belongs to the Union with a right of way for La Roseraie. Its co-owners are responsible for its maintenance. As it belongs to the Union, and therefore to all the co-owners of Chamonix-Sud, only an internal regulation of the Union could reserve access to it for some of them, which is not the case at present.

We have not envisaged the creation of parking spaces, but it is true that it would be possible (desirable?) to create some along Rue du Lyret, but on the condition that access to them could be limited.

What about private gardens and terraces on the ground floor?
Several ground-floor flats have “private gardens” or “terraces” for which the property regulations state that the owners of these lots have exclusive use:

  • on the allée Marcel-Burnet side (TR1/G, TR1/H, TR1/I, TR2/Triolet)
  • in the centre of TR3 (TR3/Jonquille, TR3/Grépon).

Our co-ownership regulations stipulate :

  • in the chapter “Private areas” that: “The private areas contain, in addition to everything inside the lot, the spaces whose exclusive use is reserved for a specific co-owner, such as the terraces or private gardens;
  • in the chapter “Common areas” that “The common areas comprise the whole of the land, including the soil of the built-up areas, courtyards, gardens (including private ones) […].

In order to restore the waterproofing, these gardens and terraces must be cleared of all elements and the ground restored. We will propose to these co-owners a concerted and identical development for all, financed by the project.

Will the old garage exit at 99 Marie Paradis Drive be reopened?
The matter is currently under study. Advantage: one more exit. Disadvantages for safety: the exit lane is very narrow (vehicle safety), and one exits directly – without visibility – onto the pavement (pedestrian safety).
Shouldn't the problems of wifi, lifts, ventilation, balconies, renovation, etc. be dealt with first?
Many of you mentioned in the questionnaire subjects that do not concern the Union because they concern the interior of your buildings: problems with wifi, lifts, balconies, façade renovation, ventilation noise, nuisances caused by occupants, etc.

The communication made here concerns the Union de Chamonix-Sud, which is responsible for the maintenance and work on the outside areas and the underground garage.

As a reminder: each co-owner of Chamonix-Sud :

  • owns a lot (flat, business) in one of the 19 buildings;
  • is a co-owner of the underground garage and outdoor areas (squares, walkways, Roseraie park).

The 19 buildings are grouped into 10 condominiums. Each is managed by a trustee, appointed by all the co-owners at a general meeting.

The whole property, apart from the 19 buildings, is managed by the “Union director”, appointed by the general assembly of the Union, on the proposal of the “Union council” made up of representatives of the 10 co-ownerships.

Therefore, problems related to the life of your building should be reported to your union council, or even to the syndic who manages your building.

Will charging stations for electric vehicles be installed?
Some co-owners have put forward this idea in the questionnaire. And in view of the obligation that will soon be imposed on the whole country, it will be in our interest to anticipate a future installation of these charging stations, or even to install some.